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Hello.
I'm have file name IMG_0012, but it is not in metadata.
If I rename file, I losse original name.
How to save file name into metadata?

First pick a tag you want to save it into.  Then the command would be
exiftool "-TAG<Filename" <FileOrDir>

According to the IPTC specs, the appropriate place would be IPTC:ObjectName and XMP:Title but Adobe likes to use those for the short description (which should be Headline).  Adobe instead uses XMP:PreservedFileName. 

I means to create my own new tag. I suspect this is impossible?

It is very much possible.  See the example config file (https://exiftool.org/config.html) and also search these forums for more examples.

But why would you want to when there are already several tags specifically for this purpose.  There are few benefits and many disadvantages.  You have to decide what type of tag it is.  You have to create the entries for it in a config file.  And no program other than exiftool will be able to work with it.

Quote from: StarGeek on July 14, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
But why would you want to when there are already several tags specifically for this purpose.

What are tags? Other programs won't touch them?

Quote from: StarGeek on July 14, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
You have to decide what type of tag it is.

Don't quite understand what you mean? How am I supposed to choose?

Quote from: StarGeek on July 14, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
You have to create the entries for it in a config file.  And no program other than exiftool will be able to work with it.

Need a way without special settings. Everything should be by default.

Now I'm confused as to what you're actually asking.  First you say

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 14, 2019, 03:49:24 PMI means to create my own new tag. I suspect this is impossible?

Then you say

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 15, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
What are tags?

So, to get to the basics, TAG is the term exiftool uses for a piece of metadata.  This can be as simple as the name of the file or as complex as the structured embedded data to describe the region returned by a facial recognition program.  They can be taken from the underlying OS (filenames, file time stamps, the various Mac OS MD data), properties of the file (image width/height, sound file sample rate), or embedded within the file (various exif data from a camera).

QuoteOther programs won't touch them?

No piece of embedded metadata is untouchable.  Whether other programs touch them or not depends upon how well the program was designed.  Some are more fragile than others.  A couple of examples.  In jpeg files there is the Comment field.  Many programs will overwrite this tag without regards for the previous contents.  Another example is the Windows program Irfanview.  It can be used to edit tags in the IPTC group but doesn't properly deal with a lot of those tags and will delete them.

Most well known commercial programs, such as Adobe Lightroom, won't make unwanted changes to the data, but the more obscure a data type is, the more likely it is be lost.  A home brewed tag falls into this category.

Quote

Quote from: StarGeek on July 14, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
You have to decide what type of tag it is.

Don't quite understand what you mean? How am I supposed to choose?

Various tags belong to groups that detail how they are written.  For example, in image files, you'll find the most common types are EXIF, which usually is data written by the camera detailing how the image was taken, IPTC (aka IPTC IIM/Legacy), and XMP (which contains IPTC Core metadata).  In sound files you'll find ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags. 

But the point I was making is that trying to make your own tag means you have to learn all about what these various groups are and what group would be best for the tag you decide to make.

Now, having glanced through your other thread, I think what you actually wanted to ask was if there was a way to get the original filename even if the filename was changed.  The answer is no.  But you can take the time to embed the filename in the file yourself.  The filename is by design not meant to be immutable.  Which is why I suggested copying the filename into the IPTC:ObjectName, XMP:Title, or XMP:PreservedFileName tags.  This is actually the very first thing I do when I move images from the camera to my computer.  This is because at one point I was dealing with some files from a friend and I didn't realize that there was something faulty with the clock on his camera.  All the file got renamed based upon the embedded date which was something like 1980-01-01 00:00:00. That was a real mess.

Thanks for explanation. Much became clear.

I don't know English and many features of my questions I can't state accurately.
Very often I find it easier to understand of logic on the example.

QuoteBut you can take the time to embed the filename in the file yourself.

Yeah, that's what I need.

I want to create a manual for organizing files of my photo shoots. At the heart of all is the name of the file, but to create a universal algorithm was a difficult task. I searched for a long time and chose ExifTool to solve this problem in my process.

1. Plese, I'd like to see the command you use to write the file name to the metadata.

2. IPTC:ObjectName, XMP:Title, or XMP:PreservedFileName — where can I see them?
I'm using exiftool -G ..., but I don't see the IPTC group in the tag list. I see only [ExifTool], [File], [EXIF], [XMP], [MakerNotes] and [Composite] groups.

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 15, 2019, 06:12:24 PM
1. Plese, I'd like to see the command you use to write the file name to the metadata.

The first command I run is similar to this.  The actual command is a bit different as I use an exiftool shortcut in my config file, but this is the equivalent
exiftool -r -P -overwrite_original -wm cg -progress "-IPTC:ObjectName<Filename" "-XMP:Title<Filename" "-XMP:PreservedFileName<Filename" DIR

This will go through the entire directory and subdirectories (-r option (https://exiftool.org/exiftool_pod.html#r-.--recurse)), preserve the filesystem timestamps (-P (preserve) option (https://exiftool.org/exiftool_pod.html#P--preserve)), not overwrite existing tags, just in case I'm making a mistake and re-running the command on already processed files (-wm (writemode) option (https://exiftool.org/exiftool_pod.html#wm-MODE--writeMode)).  It will copy the Filename to all three of the previously mentioned tags.  Personally, I would like to drop the IPTC tag (actually I'd like to drop all IPTC tags) but my favorite image viewer doesn't let me see XMP metadata, only IPTC and EXIF.  For anyone who uses Lightroom/Photoshop a lot, I'd probably suggest only writing to XMP:PreservedFileName.

Quote2. IPTC:ObjectName, XMP:Title, or XMP:PreservedFileName — where can I see them?
I'm using exiftool -G ..., but I don't see the IPTC group in the tag list. I see only [ExifTool], [File], [EXIF], [XMP], [MakerNotes] and [Composite] groups.

They won't exist until exiftool (or some other program) creates them.  Most cameras will only write EXIF data.  A few will also write some XMP data.  I think some iPhones which embed Face Regions do this.  I don't think any camera ever wrote ITPC data.  Most of the XMP and IPTC data are things that get added afterwords during processing/sorting.  Things like location names (GPS will be part of EXIF if it's captured), descriptions, and keywords.

Quote...just in case I'm making a mistake and re-running the command on already processed files...

I can't understand what you're doing here. Can you put it in other words? Why are you making a mistake?

Sometimes I make mistakes.  Just in case I make a mistake and try to write the filename into a file that I've already done so, the -wm cg option will not overwrite it.  -wm cg will only create new tags and will not write to tags that already exist.

QuoteJust in case I make a mistake and try to write the filename into a file that I've already done so, the -wm cg option will not overwrite it.

If I understand correctly, is this a test?

1. If I understand correctly, you cannot create a tag BLA:BlaBlaBla?
2. IPTC:ObjectName, XMP:Title, XMP:PreservedFileName — are these special tags for this purpose?
3. There are only three such tags?
4. Why do you write data in three tags at once?
5. I have to watch itself, so that other programs don't change these tags later?

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 15, 2019, 10:40:17 PM
1. If I understand correctly, you cannot create a tag BLA:BlaBlaBla?

You can't just create a random tag name.  Exiftool has to already know about it (see the Tag Names page (https://exiftool.org/TagNames/) for all the metadata groups and the tags which are part of those groups) or you have to create a new definition (see the example.config file (https://exiftool.org/config.html)).

Quote2. IPTC:ObjectName, XMP:Title, XMP:PreservedFileName — are these special tags for this purpose?

The first two are tags that have been defined by the IPTC (International Press Telecommunications Council).  XMP:Title is defined here (https://www.iptc.org/std/photometadata/specification/IPTC-PhotoMetadata#title) as part of the IPTC Core.  That entry also lists the old IIM entry under "IIM Specs".  IIM (Information Interchange Model) is what exiftool refers to as IPTC. 

I'm not sure of the origin of XMP:PreservedFileName but Adobe uses it to store the original filename.  While technically this should be covered by XMP:Title, as defined in the above link, Adobe decided to use XMP:Title as the short description, specifically going against the spec.

Quote3. There are only three such tags?

The stock image company GettyImages has designed their own tags for this purpose, XMP:CameraFilename and XMP:OriginalFileName.  I'm am not aware of any program outside of GettyImages that actually uses this tag.  Adobe also has XMP:RawFileName, of which I know nothing.

One thing I should be clear on is this.  It's your data and your images.  You can put your data where ever you want to.  The guidelines are there to make it easier for programs to deal with your data, but if you want to do something different, for example, use a time stamp to keep track of the number of monkeys in an image, you can do that.  (Yes, an absolutely silly example.) You just have to know how it will affect any program you use to deal with that image.

Quote4. Why do you write data in three tags at once?

I do it for maximum compatibility.  One program I use, Irfanview, doesn't display XMP data, so that requires IPTC:ObjectName.  I occasionally use Lightroom, so that uses XMP:PreservedFileName.  My DAM (Digital Assets Magangement) will read XMP:Title.  If I ever get around to looking for a replacement for Irfanview that I like, I'll be removing IPTC data from my images and only dealing with XMP from that point.  It's a better standard, but still not universally supported.

Quote5. I have to watch itself, so that other programs don't change these tags later?

It would be something I would watch for when first testing a new program, but it shouldn't be a problem with most commercial programs.  But there is never a guarantee.  All embedded metadata is changeable.

Quote from: StarGeek on July 16, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
if you want to do something different, for example, use a time stamp to keep track of the number of monkeys in an image, you can do that.  (Yes, an absolutely silly example.)

Not silly at all:

> exiftool wheelbarrow.jpg -datetimeoriginal
Date/Time Original              : 8 monkeys

- Phil

(http://130.15.24.87/pics/wheelbarrow.jpg)

Edit: OK.  Maybe a little bit silly.

LOL, I had an idea how to do it.  Leave it to you to actually do it.  (if that's what you actually did)

(download the picture and check the metadata) ;)

- Phil

 :o
C:\>curl.exe -s "http://130.15.24.87/pics/wheelbarrow.jpg"| exiftool -j - -G1 -xmp:all -iptc:all -exif:all
[{
  "SourceFile": "-",
  "IFD0:XResolution": 1,
  "IFD0:YResolution": 1,
  "IFD0:ResolutionUnit": "None",
  "IFD0:YCbCrPositioning": "Centered",
  "ExifIFD:ExifVersion": "0232",
  "ExifIFD:DateTimeOriginal": "8 monkeys",
  "ExifIFD:ComponentsConfiguration": "Y, Cb, Cr, -",
  "ExifIFD:FlashpixVersion": "0100",
  "ExifIFD:ColorSpace": "Uncalibrated"
}]

I was just overthinking things.  My thought process was to use something like -d "%S" and totally forgot that you can just write the value.

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QuoteExiftool has to already know about it...

Aha, ExifTool сan recognize only those tags that he has inside, that he knows?
If I create a new tag, should I tell ExifTool about this in the configuration. I Understand, thanks.

2.

Quote...but Adobe uses it to store the original filename...

I realized that any creator of software can use tags in its own way, despite the standard? So you need to carefully select your software and do not change it without testing.

3.

QuoteThe stock image company GettyImages has designed their own tags for this purpose, XMP:CameraFilename and XMP:OriginalFileName.  I'm am not aware of any program outside of GettyImages that actually uses this tag.  Adobe also has XMP:RawFileName, of which I know nothing.

Why don't you do that?
-r -P -overwrite_original -wm cg -progress "-IPTC:ObjectName<Filename" "-XMP:Title<Filename" "-XMP:PreservedFileName<Filename" "-XMP:CameraFilename<Filename" "-XMP:OriginalFileName<Filename" "-XMP:RawFileName<Filename"

4.

QuoteMy DAM (Digital Assets Magangement)

What does your DAM look like? What is it?

As a result, I understand that I will have to study the basics of all standards, understand their ecosystem. ???

QuoteNot silly at all:

Да, забавно. Смешные обезьянки.  Вот она, неожиданная реальность. :)
Creating a system, you need to take into account even the most ridiculous case.

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 16, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
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QuoteExiftool has to already know about it...

Aha, ExifTool сan recognize only those tags that he has inside, that he knows?
If I create a new tag, should I tell ExifTool about this in the configuration. I Understand, thanks.

Well, partially.  It can only write to tags it knows about.  It can often recognize that there are other tags in the file (see the -u option (https://exiftool.org/exiftool_pod.html#u--unknown)) but may not show them.  XMP tags have the name of the tag built in, so exiftool can always display them, but can't write them without a definition.

Quote2.

Quote...but Adobe uses it to store the original filename...

I realized that any creator of software can use tags in its own way, despite the standard? So you need to carefully select your software and do not change it without testing.

Yes and it depends.  On the second point, most people don't care too much about the metadata.  You have to decide how you want to handle it.

QuoteWhy don't you do that?
-r -P -overwrite_original -wm cg -progress "-IPTC:ObjectName<Filename" "-XMP:Title<Filename" "-XMP:PreservedFileName<Filename" "-XMP:CameraFilename<Filename" "-XMP:OriginalFileName<Filename" "-XMP:RawFileName<Filename"

Because I don't have software that accesses those other tags and prefer not to have excess metadata.  An example of this is EXIF:ImageDescription, IPTC:Caption-Abstract, and XMP:Description.  All three have the same purpose, a description of the contents of the image.  But I purposefully clear EXIF:ImageDescription because I don't have a program (other than exiftool) that can edit that field and haven't come across a program that does.  It's wasted space and I like keeping my metadata as simple as possible.

Quote4.

QuoteMy DAM (Digital Assets Magangement)

What does your DAM look like? What is it?

I use a combination of Imatch 3, Imatch 5, and Google's Picasa.  The older Imatch 3 is my main interface for sorting, tagging and other file related operations.  It's just easier and faster with my large database than the newer Imatch 5.  Imatch 5 is just awesome for browsing various ways of my categorization, whether it's through keywords or locations or dates.  Also searching through tons of metadata easily.  I just don't care for the way it moves files around.  Picasa is there only for its facial recognition ability.

In all cases, none of these programs are allowed to write any data to my files.  That is all done through exiftool.

My directory structure is simple.  Files are a simple YYYY-MM-DD_HH.mm.ss, with an addition counter number for those images that were taken in the same second.  I also get images from some photographer friends.  Their images have their initials as a prefix.  The actual directories are basically Event->Year.  For example, I often go to comic conventions (San Diego Comic Con tomorrow!) so the main directory would be "San Diego Comic Con"  For multi-day events, I'll add more directories.  So the result for my photographs this week will be "San Diego Comic Con->2019->Day_1_(07-18)" for this Thursday.

Спасибо, СтарГик (StarGeek).

QuoteIn all cases, none of these programs are allowed to write any data to my files.

How do you implement it? In the settings or just don't use their features?

Mostly I just don't use the features.  Picasa will corrupt the MakerNotes of a Nikon image.  Imatch adds a lot of extra stuff I don't find the need or use for, but it does have scripting ability, so the one thing I do use it for, it just calls exiftool from a script.

Quoteso the one thing I do use it for, it just calls exiftool from a script.

:)

Спасибо за ответы.

Adobe Bridge's Batch Rename Tool uses the PreservedFileName tag to recover/restore the original filename, which is useful to recover from a mistake or simply if one changes their mind. I often use one of the following variations.


Add/Copy filename to Adobe Preserve Original Filename (excluding file extension):

exiftool '-XMP-xmpMM:PreservedFileName<${filename;s/\.[^.]*$//}' -r 'FILEorDIR'


Add/Copy filename to Adobe Preserve Original Filename (including file extension):

exiftool '-XMP-xmpMM:PreservedFileName<${filename}' -r 'FILEorDIR'


Rename files using their preserved filename metadata entry:

exiftool '-FileName<XMP-xmpMM:PreservedFileName' -r 'FILEorDIR'

QuoteAdobe Bridge's Batch Rename Tool uses the PreservedFileName tag to recover/restore the original filename...

Thanks, this is useful information (about this was also written by StarGeek). I'm also use Adobe Brige for title, description and keywords.

Stephen is the one who made me aware of that tag and I felt it was useful enough to add it to my workflow.

QuoteStephen is the one who made me aware of that tag and I felt it was useful enough to add it to my workflow.

Справедливость восстановлена.  :)

What difference betwen
exiftool '-XMP-xmpMM:PreservedFileName<...
and
exiftool '-XMP:PreservedFileName<...
?

XMP-xmpMM is the actual namespace that PreservedFileName belongs to (see XMP xmpMM Tags (https://exiftool.org/TagNames/XMP.html#xmpMM)).  For all practical purposes, the commands are identical.

There are occasions where there are tag names that are duplicated in the same group.  For example, Adobe created the tag XMP-aux:LensInfo.  But along came the official EXIF tag XMP-exifEX:LensInfo.  If you want to write to XMP:LensInfo, then exiftool will prefer to write to XMP-exifEX:LensInfo and avoid writing to XMP-aux:LensInfo.  But if you specifically wanted to write the later tag instead, you would have to give it the full name.

I usually just name the group (XMP, IPTC, EXIF) where I want the tag to be written to and let exiftool decide which tag to actually write to because I feel the Phil has done all the proper research on which tags are more widely used.  It also helps to cut down on any mistake I might make if I transpose or drop a letter by accident.

QuoteI realized that any creator of software can use tags in its own way, despite the standard? So you need to carefully select your software and do not change it without testing.

If I create my tag in the configuration file, no program will be able to see it and I will not worry about the impact of other programs on my tag?

Quote from: andreikorzhyts on July 14, 2019, 02:33:15 PM
I'm have file name IMG_0012, but it is not in metadata.

At least for my Canon DSLR, the "file index" is in the metadata, so you can reconstruct IMG_0012 at any time.

Oliver

My camera also saving of file number, but I have to create universal core of system naming.

And please, someone answer my question:
If I create my tag in the configuration file, no program will be able to see it and I will not worry about the impact of other programs on my tag?

Your question is too general.  You don't need to worry if you are talking about XMP metadata, but may need to worry for other kinds of metadata.  XMP is designed to be extensible.  Other types of metadata, not so much.

- Phil

So tag your own it is best to create in XMP-group of tags?
And the only conflict is if someone else comes up with the same tag?

There will be no conflict in XMP as long as you choose a unique namespace.

- Phil

Quote from: Phil Harvey on July 18, 2019, 07:21:09 AM
There will be no conflict in XMP as long as you choose a unique namespace.

- Phil

I understand what the uniqueness depends on me.
Thanks for answer.