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[BogdanH]

Hi Uwe,

Yes, this is why this shortcut option exist in first place. And you didn't have shortuct to GUI... did you call GUI from Win Explorer everytime?

I can live with this, but I would still prefer a different solution for your users.

Seriously... if this solution is too complicated for any Windows user, then I really don't know what to say.

Bogdan

[MOL]

did you call GUI from Win Explorer everytime?

Yes. I don't use it often enough that I need a shortcut on the desktop.

Seriously... if this solution is too complicated for any Windows user, then I really don't know what to say.

I didn't say it's too complicated, Bogdan, but it's highly unusual. Even you forgot that this option is available... 


Uwe

[BogdanH]

Hi Uwe,

Yes. I don't use it often enough that I need a shortcut on the desktop.

I understand now -thank you for clarifying

..Even you forgot that this option is available... 

Indeed  -that's because I never use GUI maximized. Interesting, there are only 3-4 programs that I use maximized (photo editing and programming). What to say.. different users, different habbits 

Greetings,
Bogdan

[MOL]

Hi Bogdan

What to say.. different users, different habbits

The Windows design guidelines (the "UX Guide") are there for a reason...   

Thanks again
Uwe

PH Edit: Added link

[Phil Harvey]

The UXGuide is 882 pages!  Wow.  ...it would take me a couple of months to read through this.

- Phil (gaining a new respect for Windows programmers)

[MOL]

The UXGuide is 882 pages!

Most of it is trivial and you can simply ignore it, because it's quite obvious what to do.

Mac programmers aren't spared either, by the way: 315 pages
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/OSXHIGuidelines.pdf

[pb]

I have not read the UX guide.  Also, I have not used vista or win 7.

However, my experience up through win xp is that I find I set every ui option exactly the opposite of the way Microsoft thinks it should be by default.  (Ok, not every, but a very large fraction.)  Hence, I'm not entirely sure I would follow the advice in the UX guide if I were hacking windows.

With that proviso, though, and although I never run GUI maximized,  (nor any other app, for that matter), imho GUI should start up maximized if it was closed maximized.  I.e., if GUI remembers window geometry state, then maximization is an example of window geometry, notwithstanding that there is a workaround using shortcut properties.

--peter

[MOL]

Hi Peter;

I set every ui option exactly the opposite of the way Microsoft thinks it should be by default.

The UI guidelines are not so much about Microsoft telling you what's right or wrong, it's more an attempt to ensure that programs provide a common interface for all users. As an example: almost all commercial programs have a 'Help' menu under which you'll find the 'About' menu item. A user doesn't have to know anything about the application, but knows where to find the information before even executing it.

Nobody forces you to comply (unless you want the Windows logo certification), as you can see in ExifTool GUI. Instead of the common 'Help' menu on the right, there is a 'Program' menu on the left for example... 
(sorry Bogdan, I couldn't resist)


Uwe

[BogdanH]

Well, as we can see, MS can change their mind about menus anytime; i.e. ribbons in Office (not to mention surprises in upcoming Win8).
No File menu in GUI, no Help menu, About inside Program menu,.. hey, does that mean GUI can't get Win cert.? 
(I couldn't resist either  )

Have a nice day,
Bogdan

[MOL]

hey, does that mean GUI can't get Win cert.?

I'll talk to Bill Gates if you fix that thing with the maximized window... 


The ribbon UI is a good example by the way that Microsoft tried to introduce something which many software companies were not willing to follow due to the licence question.

Take care
Uwe

[pb]

hey, does that mean GUI can't get Win cert.?

I'll talk to Bill Gates if you fix that thing with the maximized window... 


The ribbon UI is a good example by the way that Microsoft tried to introduce something which many software companies were not willing to follow due to the licence question.

Take care
Uwe

Hmm, since Gates no longer runs MS (it's now Ballmer), but rather spends full time on philanthropy, are you saying you can get Bogdan a nice pot of money if he fixes the maximization issue?

[BogdanH]

I had a short chat with Bill and he said he don't know Uwe at all. But he does know GUI and uses it regulary, because GUI's autorotate preview feature (which he forgot to implement in Windows) 

Bogdan

[MOL]

he said he don't know Uwe at all.

What? He doesn't know his neighbor anymore? Okay, I'll set him straight tomorrow at our BBQ...   

[Phil Harvey]

You guys are hilarious.

[MOL]

Hi Bogdan,

just saw that you have introduced a 'StartMax' property.

Thanks a lot!
Uwe